You don't know what your talking about! Kurt was a worlds greatest genuis! Its better to blow your brains out than to live life a lie!

is this one of kurts journals that courtney sold because she needed drug money.
i dont think he would be happy about this being made public, i wish he were still
alive, maybe courtney wouldnt be in the spotlight so much.
it really pisses me off that shes using his name to make as much money as she can,
she'd sell his corpse for cash if given the chance,
& what about her their daughter, will she sell everything of kurts & leave francis without
any mementos of her father

How the hell would you know what momentos Francis Cobian has of her father, or lack thereof? Puh-leeze.

Kurt Cobain is a Hindu God somewhere.

Fuck Kurt Cobain and his pussy fans. He left his little girl in the care of Coutney PIG Love. Nirvana had a couple of ok songs but that's about it. He was just another filthy junkie.

suicidal muthafuckas are really boring. I mean every living thing dies. WHat makes this selfish creep thinks he is the only one feeling pain? I guess he was too smart and so much a fucking genius (real deep shit he is punkin out there) that he couldn't stop his selfish prick mind and think about another person for a split second--like your SON, asshole!

How can any of you pass judgment on someone without ever knowing him? You have never been where he was, and you have no clue what he went through. You have no right to bash him, expecially when all available evidence shows that he was murdered. Whether it was murder or suicide, we will probably never know. His music will always be one of the most influential part of the early 90's, and he will live on in many of his fans. He wasn't the only one in this world with a habit and the need to escape; nearly half of america is guilty of that. The only reason that anyone finds it okay to rip on hiw was because he was famous. If that had never happened none of you anti-Kurt bastards would care what he did to himself.

And all I'm saying is that no one would care if he had not been famous. People overdose on heroin or kill themselves everyday, but you don't see everyone making a case about it. I never said that Courtney killed him. If you look at the available evidence though, the suicide thing is a weak case. I know Kurt was in pain, but i still can't see him killing himself and leaving his daughter (whom he loved more then life itself and Courtney combined, and was his greatest happiness on earth) alone with Courtney. He knew what a kid went through with a split up their family, and i can't imagine him leaving Francis to go through that too.

i can't say how disapointed i am in the general public of the world. the eairly 90's was a magical moment that can only come once in a life time. it was a time, i feel, that can't be fully explained by words, music, or memories- you just had to be there. be in that moment of time where everyone had a little more depth to them. sadly the depth didn't come because of people matureing or understanding eachother-it came because it was the trendy thing to do. it was the cool thing to do and i agree with kurt's saying "rather be dead than cool". if you don't know what you talking about than shut up unless you can back what you say up. there are books, articals, and investigations still going on uncovering more and more of the case. had the case been fully looked into at the time of death than there wouldn't so much contravercy over his death. fuck all of you anti-kurt bastards- rot in hell!!!! less than 6 months after his death the depth of people that kurt invoked had disapeared and was completely forgotten. this makes me sick just thinking about it. and forget his habbit, i'm sick of hearing about it- a person's personal habbit is just that, personal and private. what he did in his personal life was his own buisness. try pointing that narrow veiwed perception at yourself and tell me you wern't in the wrong and i swear you will die a painful and lonely death.

Thanks for the insight there doc. "Rather be dead than cool".... unfortunately you are neither. As for your idol Kurt, he was a junkie/coward.

"onehitter" where did u get that name? are u a user? the name implies drug use, as do i. if u truly believe he was a coward that just killed himself than let me ask you this-how does a coward find the courage to kill himself? to pull that trigger and go through excrushiating pain before finally being at peace. how is he a coward? what did he cowar from for god sake? he acomplished more in his life, sitting on his ass than most of us will ever hope to achieve in our entire life time. have you ever used junk? ever feel it enter your veins and feel the sheer releif it brings? don't knock it before you try it as the saying goes. listen here "oney", how can u even start to call him a coward when u didn't even know him, his life, or his pain? swallow a bottle of batery acid, feel how ur stomach feels and multiply that by 100 and u'll know how much physical pain kurt was in.

"how does a coward find the courage to kill himself"

You just have to shoot yourself with tons of heroin & you can jump into an airplane propeller w/out a second thought.

No sane person takes his own life, alright.

I have to disagree. Many people that are quite sane have taken their own lives. Some people take this route because it is a means of escape, an escape that drugs themselves cannot provide, and it is permanent. To others suicide is a means to honor; in many societies it is seen as the only way that a man can regain his honor after he has shamed himself or his family. Other societies require the wife of a man who has died to throw herself into his crematory fire, thus killing herself to be with her husband in the afterlife. These people are not insane to me, but it is the way they are taught and what they believe in. The only reason suicide is truly looked down upon in our society is because it is what religion, government, and everything we have been taught tells us. It has been drilled into us, so we tend to see it this way. The Roman Stoic Seneca claimed that a wise person "lives as long as he ought, not as long as he can." For Seneca, it is the quality, not the quantity, of one's life that matters.

hey "oney" yeah i'm not cool and i never claimed to be, ecspecally in your eyes. obviously i'm not dead cause i'm writing this-i was simply coining a phrase which ur intelegence level (obvisouly being as low as your depth level) is to low to comprenend. kurt isn't my idol, that would be the ultimate insult to him. to me he was a great person that did great things and made great music. moe, what's ur definition of insanity? my defintion is going through life, day after day, doing the exact same thing, expecting to get somthing great in the end only to be fucked over by people who will share the exact same fate. menotony is insantiy, hate is insantity, suicide is being so fed up with all the bullshit going on and not haveing a way out. if suicide is that easy, and only cowards do it than i suggest you board the next plane in your local area and try it yourself if your not a coward.

The definition of success and achieving something in life varies from person to person, alrihgt. Monotony for some might be a godsend, while others find it repulsive. You're not taking into consideration anything when you talk about Kurt's amazing life in which he wrote amazing songs, went on crazy tours, fucked countless groupies, drank to his heart's content, & ultimately drugged himself up to the point of death.

Would you ever, in your wildest dreams, consider Kurt to be a tad bit selfish? Think this one through, man...

I think that everyone has the right to be selfish every once in a while. From the background that Kurt came from, of course one would expect him to be selfish. With all that fame and fortune, there is always the fear that it will one day be lost. To be selfish is to be human, it is in our blood. Cobain is not the only one who would be found guilty; every one of us has been selfish at one time or another. If any of us were in his shoes, I’m sure that we would have acted much like he did. This is a letter to the editor of Time, in which the writer claims: “Many think Cobain was selfish and crude, but he spoke to many young people around the world. His extremely personal songs exposed the inner pain each one of us hides. Luckily he shared some of his heartache with us, so we didn’t feel so alone.� I think that most of the selfishness displayed by Kurt was at the behest of Courtney. He brought back the expensive car she wanted, and got a shitty little car. She was the one who pushed him to ask for a bigger share of the money from the record sales. If anything, Kurt realized his selfishness, and decided he didn't want to take part in it anymore. If it was a suicide, I'm sure that his selfishness was a reason. It would have made him a hypocrite, which would have made him hate himself.

Holy shit... Doctor of journalism! Yeah that makes the piss-poor spelling and grammar understandable.

Hey Oney, why don't you try researching and looking up this stuff before you draw conclusions? Try to get the argument from both sides instead of having a closed mind. I'm not forcing you to read my comments or thoughts on the situation so who the fuck are you to judge me? At least I respond to your little postings, so why not respond to mine? You never did answer any of my questions in #13, but I suspect you aren't a user. And if you are, so what? That doesn't make you any better or worse than the rest of us, what makes u worse is when you piss around and say stupid shit like what you’re saying now. Oh yeah, and that comment about me masturbating, lame as hell. I'm not even going to attempt to make a stab at what little sex life you have so I suggest backing off. You’re as bad as anyone else on this Earth, except do you have the sense to look at your self and admit your sins?

Dr. Kragon~ I think that I may be too young for you (I’m only 18), and I’m not all that comfortable with releasing my yahoo name in the middle of this commentary. I admire the fact that we share a common interest in Kurt and his music, and you seem to be a very outspoken individual. I think that individuality is the key to making someone unique, and it is this uniqueness that I seek out in my friends. It is also this uniqueness that drew me to Nirvana, especially the early Nirvana, before it became mainstream. The feeling that Kurt put into his singing is incredible. The energy that comes from the music is nothing short of amazing, as well as the fact that the music never seems to get old. I think that these are some of the things that keep Nirvana fans coming back. Kurt may be gone but his music lives on, and listening to it is enjoyable and comfortable as the sound of your lover’s heartbeat. I think that some of the things you said are quite interesting, and viable. I also think that you have a cool point of view, and the spelling and grammar doesn’t really bother me too badly. All in all, you seem to have valid opinions, and are alright in my book. :)

Dr. Kragon, you have just proved my point even further on what a waste of brain synapses you are. You say that you are a doctor of Journalism yet the thoughts on your posts are so scatterbrained I wonder if a six year old blind girl wrote them. Journalists would know how to form a sentence, prove a point, and have some sort of a basic understanding of grammar and spelling, which you do not. I now also have suspicion that you are a sexual predator as you try to get Drainuchick's personal information from her using sophomoric dramatics such as, "i think it’s a shame that we can’t get to know eachother more. i belieave we feel the same dramatic energy that comes from most music (nirvana) and that is a rare accorance." What the fuck are you trying to get at? I want to stick my 31 year old wrinkly pencil dick into your fresh 18 year old ass? You are a fucking joke. I suggest you get some Lithium and exceed the reccomended dose.

Bean boy- who are you calling a sexual predator when you accuse me of being a 6 year old girl you fucking pedophile? You obviously haven't heard of gonzo. No I don't have any basic understanding of grammar, spelling and sentence structure; I barely have a concept of reality down. I scatterbrain my ideas because that's how they come, not in a single form or idea, but all at once and I hurriedly write them all down for fear of losing them. How is a yahoo id personal information? Did I ask her for her phone number, actual name or address? No I just asked her for an easier way to talk than through posting messages on this website! I said "I think it’s a shame that we can’t get to know each other more. I believe we feel the same dramatic energy that comes from most music (nirvana) and that is a rare occurrence" because I think she's a cool and intelligent person that share's my view of music. No I don't want a sexual relationship with anyone on here. If I'm a fucking joke than what are you suppose to be, the punch line? Cause I can't find anything I’ve said that is insulting to you, you made the first move so fuck you. I didn't make any sexual comments to drainuchick or even any insinuations that I wanted to be anything more than an online friend, I’m 31 years old and I don't need to go online to get laid, unlike some people (not implying you). So with all due respects leave me alone, we're suppose to be talking about the death of Kurt, not what we think of each other. Oh and that whole lithium thing, ha ha ha, very funny. You might want to look into that a little more; I think if you would have asked me to o.d. on wellbutrin it would have been a little funnier.

Kragon, get off Hunter's dick. You are not the second coming. If you have read any of his work than you would know that he does know grammar. The Rum Diaries, for example, was well written and coherent unlike your meaningless drivel. Everyone's thoughts come scattered and hurriedly but most people will organize them so others can understand. A fucking ape can write random letters on a page like you. Quit trying to be "hip" and "cool" by sounding like a third grader. Oh and I do think you are sex predatoring, first you get her email, next you woo her with your "intelligent insite's" into life. Next your trying to get her to meet her in the park. The rest of the story can be heard on the nightly news. How about you overdose on estrogen then you can really be at "one" with your soul.

Kurt apparently had 3 times the lethal 225 mgs dose of heroin (1.52 mgs per liter) in his blood system and intravenous puncture marks in both arms. Medical experts will tell you that such an amount, when injected directly into the bloodstream will leave you incapacitated and cause you to lapse into a coma within seconds, if not kill you instantly before the needle can even be removed from your arm. It's common for deaths of heroin overdoses to be found with the needle still sticking out of the arm. That's how quickly one lethal dose can kill a person, let alone three. It's hard to believe that Cobain injected himself with an insane triple lethal dose of heroin, pulled the needle out of his arm, carefully put away that needle and the heroin paraphernalia neatly back into a cigar box a few feet away, rolled down and button his sleeves, then picked up a Remington 20-gauge shotgun , placed it in his mouth and discharged it. There does not seem to be another case in history in which anything close to this has ever occurred and many researchers feel it is simply impossible. The drug Diazepam (Valium), was also found in Cobain's blood system. A drug that is known to aggravate heroin, and makes an overdose that much worse. The question remains as to why Cobain would shoot himself after taking a triple lethal dose, which clearly would have been more than enough to cause death instantly. A triple overdose, followed by shooting yourself not only doesn't make sense, but is impossible according to the medical experts.

Canadian Chemist Roger Lewis read the Cobain autopsy report. Knowing that drug related "suicides" are often a staged cover up for a murder, he studied 98 similar deaths and their pathology, criminology and forensic tests. His research is titled "Dead Men Don't Pull Triggers", and it was published in Opinion Magazine. An online version is also available and is a must-read for anyone who wants to intelligently argue that Cobain was murdered. To be fair, there is a rebuttal to Lewis' findings, which has also been posted on the web, as well as Lewis' rebuttal to the first one. Links to that debate are available in the internet coverage section of this site.

my last post was from www.justiceforkurt.com; Look, I'm sure that fucking ape can finger ur asshole while he is fucking your 6 year old little girl, and write a letter to my fucking editor at the same time asking him to explain to me the fine art of grammar and writing. But let me ask you something- who the fuck made you read this shit? I'm not the second coming and I'm not anything but a writer, I have not and will never compare myself to Hunter Thompson or William Burroughs, so fuck you and ur incestuous family for saying so. I guess you'd know a lot about how a third grader sounds, especially in bed you perverted, pedophiling son of a cum eating whore, and for the last time I AM NOT COOL!!!!!!!!!! How many fucking times do I have to say it, I'm a fucking loser! I didn't ask her for her email address or anything like that, I think you’re just taking what happened to you and portraying that on me, I tried to fucking end this shit but you seem too much of a moody mommy fuck with a mouth filled with menstrual blood to understand that I am in no way trying to be anyone else but myself and that's why I'm not cool. To be cool you have to be someone your not i.e. you. I don't have to deal with you in my life. I tried to let everything drop but you wouldn't let it lie-so fuck you asshole, I’m better than you.

Why is that fucking people on this site give so much of a shit about grammar? Just let fucking people get their point across however they fucking feel. Is it that hard? It seems that bitch Tammy was doing it before & now this.

I have nothing against you beamer, but if you got shit to say about the topic, all power to you. Who really gives a shit whether he spelled monotony correctly or capitalized the first letter of a sentence...if the guy has got something to say about kurt, he's got something to say.

Kragon, w/ that in hand, Kurt was in tremendous pain, but I think the stomach ailment might have been linked to his crazy lifestyle. If he didn't learn to play the geeeeetar, he would have been any other junkie. He fucked up in three areas:

1. fell in love w/ courtney love
2. impregnated courtney love
3. And, killed himself---yes, I mean fucking suicide!

Also, if there are so many damn articles on his "murder" post away. Don't build up Kurt so much in your heads. the guy was fucking human, ok. He fucked up.

thank you gods for finally sending a compatant person onto this site. i agree with 2 of the three and i am not going to argue with you, i'm just going to recomend the book "love & death" to you. and that's it, i'm not dissing your beleifs or anything, just recomending it, and aslo stating the fact that his stomach ailments stoped in '93-doctors found out it was a pinched nerve and solved the problem, he was trying to get off of junk but once a junkie always a junkie. i'm not building kurt up, yes he was just a man and i accept that. but he did great things and could have done so much more and that's what i can't except, that good music like that can literaly die

The music never dies; we (the fans) keep it alive. Does it really matter how Kurt died? I’m not saying that I wouldn't like to see justice brought to him if he was murdered, but like I stated before, none of this would be such a big deal had he not been famous. But he was famous, and he created some of the most influential music; music that will not soon be forgotten. He will live on in the hearts and minds of Generation X, and with those of us that came soon after. I know that I was too young in the early 90’s to really appreciate Nirvana at the time. Two years ago the love of my life introduced me to the music, and I have been hooked (to both of them actually) ever since. The music amazed me, and gave me such a rush. I found myself doing the most amazing things while listening to the music, and just becoming a new person. I had never felt anything like it before, and I seem to only find hints of it in other bands. Nirvana truly was the greatest band of the 90’s, whether by mistake or true greatness, it happened. It has influenced so many people, myself and my fiancé included. The music will live on.

Kragon, you're that goth kid that got made fun of as a kid but regret not having a glorious exit like the Columbine kids. Now your a 31 year old, wannabe Doctor of Journalism (who heard the term in a movie and thought it sounded cool), who preys on young, unsuspecting, girls with no self esteem over the internet.

What's with the comma after unsuspecting, and who has no self esteem?

Oh ok, I got it now...I guess. Wow you guys are really overflowing with testosterone. It's kinda funny to read, but you both sound like third graders to me. I'm waiting for the real cheap shots to start taking place....

Haha, I think I just got a rise out of Kragon's shriveled tranny member.

Damn you guys...Give it up. Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with you? This is not a dick comparing contest, get over yourselves. I have no idea what started this damn feud, but it was probably something stupid. So what if Dr. Kragon can't spell?? What the fuck is so wrong with that? Why does it matter that he is claiming to be a Doctor of Journalism? And what do we know about him anyways?? He could be a kid, who just loves fucking with people's minds! Three fourths of the people on the internet are claiming to be something they're not. What is the big deal? We should all be used to it by now. If anything, I guess Kurt would get a fucking kick out of reading all this shit...I also think that he would side with Dr. Kragon, but then again he's dead...so we will never know...Seriously though...lay off it...

I'm sorry Drainuchick, i guess it's too late for you. Kragon has already predatored his way into your fragile little mind.

I know for a fact that Dr. Kragon isn't a predator. ;) He can be my doctor anytime...

Kragon, you are not fooling anyone by posing as "Paige."

Actually this isn't Kragon posing as Paige, but I guess that you can go on and believe what you wish. You are obviously a lonely person who enjoys spending his time ragging on people who cannot write grammatically correct. Furthermore, I tend to see you as an instigator and an aggressive one at that. Get over yourself. I know the view up your ass must be a nice one, but you got to come out for air sometime.

Damn…is everyone getting into this now?? I think that you are all acting like fucking children. Although I must say, it is quite fun to read. So be aware that you are accomplishing nothing in all of this fighting, except providing me with amusement.

Paige, I have a snorkel, I may never come out.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING A JUNKIE???

DETRAS DE TI, IMBECIL!!!!

I couldnt help but laugh at you all. Kurt Cobain is DEAD. How he died is an unknown mystery and a tragic one for that matter. BUT! Here something for EVERYONE to ponder. Kurt Cobain WANTED OUT and AWAY from FAME and WAS in the process of doing so when he OD in Rome. After that he got attack about his will which he was in the process of changing and leaving EVERYTHING to his child, NOT Courtney. Point blank he wanted to be left alone. He did not like that aspect of life. Of course quitting the band and leaving Courtney (YES, he filed for divorce). See, Kurt Cobain had made an VERY important decision in his life. He wanted out of the entertainment business, he didn’t want to tour anymore, he didn’t want to perform anymore. He wanted to be left the fuck alone; he never liked that aspect of being a performer. And tragically this decision that he had made was going to affect a lot of other people (hence, Courtney Love, the wife). He would be no longer the money machine that he once was; now Cobain was worth more dead than he was alive. The live "93" version of You know your right lyrics and www.justiceforkurt.com got to the media files, fuck if the fans let the world in on this maybe Mrs. Love-Cobain will go to jail for the plot and hiring of a hitman, if true. but here are the rare lyrics by Kurt:

"I don't need to love again
I won't sigh and mope again
I don't need to love again
I just don't think it's worth it
I don't really love her
Ain't gonna take to love again
It's the way your love hurts
It's the way your mad again
I don't think I'll love again
I won't ever promise her
I don't think I want her
This time no one else
I don't bear to follow you
I don't ever promise you
Sometimes I don't love you
Think I'm tired of loving her
I don't really want love
Hey, hey, hey, hey
You’ve got no right
You told me to follow you
Teach him that I loved him
I won't ever promise you
I won't even bother to
You gave me my first kiss
I don't think I want it now
I don't ever want again
It's all that I had to have
It's all that I wanted
It's all that I had to
I don't think I'll miss her
I don't think I want her
Pain, pain, pain, pain
You’ve got no right

Dude, I love the guy & music as much as any other Nirvana fan, alright.

All I'm saying is that the guy was fucked up like any other drugged up junkie. You can't deny that, man. I think he would probably agree.

As for the murder theory...Don't tell me you think bloody C. Love did it?! He loved that whore of a wife beyond belief, man. At most, I'd say assisted suicide, but straight up murder is totally out of the question.

The guy was in pain!!!!

During one of his drug induced stupors, Kurt saw the future. He saw himself standing next to his fat, fucked up, whore-for-a-wife and quickly put an end to it... can't say I blame him.

Dr. Kragon, real doctors go to school and can probably form a coherent sentence unlike yourself.

Not sure what drugs you were doing in the early 90's that made things so "magical", Dr raygun. Obviously your view of life is a bit skewed because of it. You are definitely way to intelligent and deep for me to comprehend your philosophy but thanks for trying to enlighten. Now go back into your bedroom and jack off to your life-sized cardboard Kurt Cobain shrine before you miss your appointment with Dr Kavorkian.

say drainuchick, you seem really cool. i was wondering if maybe if you had a yahoo id i could get it from you, i'd really like to get to know you better.

drainuchick- understandable, i'm 31 and if you don't feel comfortable realising information on this site than you shouldn't. i share and beleve in alot of the vews you do, and i think it's a shame that we can't get to know eachother more. i belieave we feel the same dramatic energy that comes from most music (nirvana) and that is a rare accorance, in most circles. i hope this opinion and beleif is passed on to your children and so on, so that the future has a little more understanding and peace to it. i hope that soon there will be a time where a person can state their beliefs and not be condemed for them. i also hope that soon there will be less hate in the world and more love, sorta like a revert back to the 60's where acid and lsd were passed around at 3 bucks a pop. pass on the good word and maybe soon kurt's death will be brought to some kind of justice. buy the ticket, take the ride and when things get too crazy, you can always send a telagram to the right people.........

I agree with you, but Kurt's stomach problem was diagnosed (a pinched nerve), and then treated in the summer of 93. He was without the stomach pain from there until his death, and was even able to eat a complete pizza by himself. The stomach ailment was present since he was young, so i guess it contributed to the use of drugs, but not completely was caused by them. Without his guitar, he never would have made the connections to become a junkie. He wouldn't have had the money to get a habit. I do agree that those were some of his mistakes though.

I'm no Doctor of Journalism.

hey beaner, u anally rape ur pet cat while masturbating to the entire hellraiser series, why don't u just fuckin drop it u little whore? u know nothing about me and u sure as hell have no control over my life. why are u such a fucking child? is it because u fuck them a little too much? listen, tell you what i'm going to do- i'll just rip my stomach out, drink the acid that's inside, and use my intsetines as a nuse. all because it would make your child porn peddling ass a little happier when u get your local preist to shove his cock up in it. you should serieoulsy just consider riping ur dick off and fucking your own ass cause you'd acomplish a hell of alot more than what your doing on this website you fucking retard.

beaner- real doctors fuck their patients up for the sake of their own paychecks, i'm a doctor of journalism so before you go ripping on my you could have had the decency to ask me first. real doctors are stuck up bastards who beat their wife's and molest their children, so no i'm not a "real" doctor, but i've had enough experiance in the medical (mostly in pharmacudials) to call myself one and i'm not the best at spelling or grammar so fuck off. moe- i have thought this through, and if kurt did fuck countless there would be countless acounts of little kurt babys all over the world, which there is only one that came from the biggest and most selfish whore of them all ("beware of whores who say they don't want money, the hell they don't! what they mean is they want more money, much more."-w.s.b.) and if u had any experince with junk then you'd know that you can't drink and be a junkie at the same time because your liver won't absorb the alcohol. (junky by William S. Burroughs) and acording to you he shot himself so how could he "drug himself to death"? and f.y.i. it's called O.D.ing. of course that's selfish, that's the point of suicide. if u had any common sense you'd see that, except did you ever take into account that he was going to leave his wife, retire, and spend all of his time with his daughter? why don't you look up both sides of the case before you think this one trough

thank you drainuchick, i too believe that he wouldn't have been an addict had he not had the connections or the money to do so, but than he wouldn't of had his career or his talent and wouldn't be the kurt we all know and love, he would of been a completely diffrent person than he was. he wrote fantastic litrature so he might have became a writer, i would of loved to see a book by him. it'd probably be like a william burroughs novel crossed with somthing from tales from the crypt
and once again thanks for sticking up for me devs, i really appreceate it