you men sometimes...i swear! you give us women a hard time when we start to age (which EVERYBODY does!)...then when we try to DO something about it, you tear us apart for "fighting it". so what is a girl to do?!?! we're damned if we do and damned if we don't . Joan IS overkill...Dolly is FABULOUS! maybe life SHOULD be like that 70s movie "Logan's Run" and society should just KILL everyone over 30, or should that just apply to women? oh wait...i'd be dead.