I think Natalee got drunk and went to the lighthouse that the boys mentioned. she might hav been raped but I think she fell from the light house onto the rocks below. The boys freeked out and left her there and the tide came in and took her out to sea. They will never find her and they need to stop wasting manpower and money. Her mom needs to start the healing process and stop acting like a crazy.

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Natalee got in a car after the bar that night thinking it was a cab, but it was those three goobers. The goobers took her to the beach near the lighthouse, raped her and ditched her near that pond. The big goober went home freaked out and told big daddy what they did. The dad took his gobber son and met the other goobs. They all then went to the body. The dad told the three goobers what to say to the authorities, and they stripped the clothes off her, and ditched the body at sea at a location known for lots of sharkes. The sharkes ate her immediately, and they burned the clothes and dumped the ashes at sea also. She's history and there is no evidence that those bone-brained third world morons in Aruba can find. If it was the US, we probably would find some DNA and blood, but then some freaky liberal attorney, judge and dumb ass jurors would find the goobers not guilty her too. They will likely let the last goober go soon. Poor girl, she had a life and these faggots stole it...one less babe in the US is not a good thing.

...just my opinion, based on news and what the mom thinks.

I think that theory about her falling from the lighthouse is really good. I had not thought of that. However, I do not think the boys just left to wash out to sea. I think they disposed of her. But I do think there was either consensual sex with those boys or a gang rape occurred. I think that the family made a huge mistake by coming out to th media right away reiterating that she was "Little Miss Perfect" b/c anyone can tell you that those girls can be the student council president and homecoming queen at school and big hooch after school and on Friday night.

i think she got hammered, went with these 3 assholes.. they raped her, she was so intoxicated and had alchohol poisioning, they didnt know what to do , so they threw her in the ocean........but i hope they find her and this all gets resolved.

I am from USA. I visited Aruba. I have a story.

I am replying to the last few comments about Natalee. I just got back from Aruba yesterday after spending 7 days there. There needs to be some corrections thrown into these comments, before they get too far to the left.

Firstly, the lighthouse (N-NW end) is an old lighthouse, and quite visible from the northern 1/2 of the island, if you are off the shoreline snorkeling or something. It is only a few miles north of the hotel Natalee was staying. However, I questioned the man at the lighthouse when I visited it. There has been no visitors allowed to climb the lighthouse for some time, is is locked up. You can only view it from the ground. Unless these kids had some rock climbing experience and a hook rope to lasso the windows from the outside and climb the face of it at 2A.M. while intoxicated, the lighthouse fall is an impossibility.

There is another lighthouse, on the extreme SE side of the island. The island is only 20 miles long and 6 miles wide. However, to drive it would take quite a while from north of the capital city and Carlos and Charlies, as the only way to get to it would either be to off-road drive to it from the center of the island, or take the main road through the capital city and drive all along the southern edge, which would not be real easy, intoxicated. They would have had to drive this over a 1.5 hour period, one way (to get to the 2nd lighthouse). Not possible as they were last seen in the bar around 1 A.M. drunk. And for the same reasons, I think that going to the incinerator (oil refinery) to incinerate the body that night are incorrect, it is also farthest point of the island (which does open the possibility of incerating the body several days later, when they were released for no evidence)... Oh yeah, one other thing, all waves from that side of the island will bring junk to shore. If the body was "washed out", the body would reappear very quickly. I swam out towards the area called Baby Beach, and first hand witnessed the ocean action there, on S-SE side. Windsurfers like to go there, and we saw a few, as the waves do not take you out very long, they bring you back in.

I also visited the shark feeding area, on N-NE side of island. THAT is a strong possibility for them to have gone there. However, unless the kids knowingly were going to use this as a site (pre-meditated) for dumping a body, this site would also have had to be driven to from somewhere else. It is accesible from a main road, within a few miles of one anyways, which would make it accesible with even a 2 wheel drive vehicle, if careful and locals know where to drive. It is also very close to the natural bridge, and the reason for the paved road out this far (E side of the island). But, they would have had to load the body into a vehicle to get here there. Anyone who has been drunk and walking, at night, knows that it would literally take hours to walk a few miles. I believe they didn't walk to the shark area, unless they either convinced Natalee the shark area was a "safe area to swim", or she was already passed out and carried there.

I did some off-road driving/touring while there, did this for a whole day. It took a whole day to circle the island, even by using some paved roads as cross-points, and I did not get to see everything, including many cave areas on the E-SE side of the island. But neither do I know the island like the locals. The N and E side of the island is not paved roads, dirt, rocky, and desolate. Unless Natalee was so drugged up that she didn't even know where she was, she would in no right mind travel to this area, at night, let alone with no friends and only strangers.

The lagoon that they drained, in my opinion, was a political attempt to show they were doing "something". But I guess I can see if the kids were stupid enough to toss eveidence out the window while coming back the hotel. But it appears they found nothing, as nothing was roped off. It was good they did this, but a needle in the haystack for sure.

I snorkeled on an afternoon tour one day. In my mind, I thought about how accessible alcohol is here. Although the guides said you didn't need to drink, they pushed the alcohol hard, open bar most places you go (after you pay the tour), and most drinks are poured "burnt" (bartender slang for very very strong, like 80% of the glass, which was 8 oz size). I saw several people take it in this way. And that is a "calm" tour, in daylight! I drank a few beers, that was all. I quit hard liquor some time ago, for good reasons, so I can say I observed this activity. The morning snorkeling tour (same boat) was docked when we showed up for the afternoon tour. There was a lady sitting in a chair, all intoxicated, not sure how she quite made it snorkeling, but was kissing on the tour guides. This female tourist was obviously overserved, but what made it a little humorous was she was about 50 and the guides were about early 20's. But I saw two staff guys guide her to another boat, which I assume was going to take her back to where she came from. It looked professionally handled, but I think they just wanted her off the beach and stopped being kissed! Anyways, but ... my point is.... that alcohol will lower your inhibitions and reactions. No brainer. But if I was the 50's year old woman's husband, or her friend, I would have stepped in. But this is a common place thing. I never went to spring break in Florida or anything, but from what I have heard, this is very tame considering everything people do in USA on spring break. Don't get me wrong, I had plenty of similar fun in my youth (I am in my early 40's now) but have gotten past the night highs and the morning lows. Natalee will never see another morning.

All the locals were nice, I should tell you, and like USA very much, for it is the tourist industry that they survive on. So count out the boat guide that was questioned. He knew nothing.

My theory? She was definitely drugged while in the bar, she was over-served with alcohol, she was somewhat incoherent when she left the bar, she was date raped either by 1, 2 or all 3 guys on the beach, then, they drove directly to the shark area and threw her in. The perfect crime. And yes, all 3 knows what happened, because unless a 4th individual came back to pick up the judges son, he could NOT have walked home from the shark area unless he did not get back to the capital city until well after daylight.

And the Judge-in-training? Yes, he knows something. He also knows that his son has a history of this. I do not believe that Natalee is his first victim of date rape. I believe other people who have toured this island over the last 2-4 years should speak up. They owe it to Natalee and the future of the women visiting Aruba.

I think it interesting about the kidnapping to another place in South America. But unless this was pre-arranged, it would have had to be very well organized, with more people involved. Payoffs. All that. Someone would talk. Someone will talk, if this theory is true. I just don't buy that one at this time.

I pray for Natalee's family. Noone should have to go through this. Natalee's Mom is strong, not by her own doings.

I feel for Natalee, and even though I don't agree with interfering in police business, I support Natalee's Mom for confronting the bastard that cause Natalee ill harm, sexually, and possibly fatally. May God have mercy on their souls, if they will ever repent of this hate crime against young, vulnerable, women.

Enough said.

Just wanted to add a few things...
Not meant to correct anyone else but simply debate...I'm big on having opinions (Everyone having their opinions, not just me! )
I have been to Aruba as well, (within the past few years). I did not experience this wildness everyone eludes to, and my husband and I are drinkers. There wasn't much advertisement for that type of establishment except for the party buss. Some islanders did try to sell us weed at the market/street vendors there across from Iguana Joe's but that's because I was young and casually dressed in a long skirt with short, choppy hair i.e. looked the part more than anyone else shopping that morning.

We did the ATV tour up to the lighthouse. This lighthouse being the famous one that resembles one you would see in Holland with tulips around it. It was not a traditional, extremely high lighthouse like you see in New England. It was not that tall and was wider in diameter with a distinct Dutch look. I have assumed this was "the" lighthouse referred to and have seen nothing that indicates it was a specific one. In my hometown, there is a place called Tiger Mountian. At the top, there is a huge fire tower. The top of the fire tower is very high up; you have to back a truck up to the base , have someone hoist you, stretch your arms, pull yourself up to the stairs. I have not done this (as I am not an idiot) but a LOT of my old friends did. It is terrifying looking and most people would argue that there is not way someone could get up there, being that the bottom level of metal is a good 14 or 15 feet off the ground. That doesn't stop kids from going up there to drink beer. I think that kids can do things that we automatically rule out due to logic, b/c, well, they don't worry about it as much. (Speaking from experience...) Like I said, I have been up there many times to leave people behind when they insisted on climbing up there with some other fools (i.e. boys).

As far as walking, that has never really been a problem for anyone I know, though we haven't set out to walk a straight path for miles after killing someone. We have been to places that require a lot of walking (street festivals, pub crawls, for example) and no one was slower than usual. I think that we are underestimating them. No one to my knowledge ever verified that they were "drunk". They might have only drank a couple throughout the night. That would mean that come 1am, they were likely fine. hmmm. We'll never know. To someone that has never had an alcoholic drink, they will sometimes reference somone having one drink to be drunk, b/c they don't understand that one drink doesn 't make someone who "drinks" socially drunk. This would be my mother thinking that someone was drunk with one beer. On the other hand, I have been through phases where it was acceptable to bring your own 12 pack to a party (college). In other words, people could drink about three beers before they felt anything buzz-wise, much less felt all out drunk. I am not using the term drunk in the way police do. I am using it in regards to how you feel, whether you are "affected", etc. I am alos not saying that it was ok that we drank so often that we needed a 12 pack for a party, but in my defense, we'd be there from 9pm til 3 am

I just want to say that kids will find a way, especially ones that live there. I don't think that there is any reason to conclude that she was drugged b/c I think she went with them willingly, NEVER dreaming they were going to rape her and kill her. I have read a lot of people on other sites say that she HAD to be drugged b/c being an innocent girl, she NEVER would have left with them. This is so wrong. If she was innocent then she might not dream of the terrible expectations they ahd of her. PLus, people that are drugged feel the effects very quickly and literally seem to be passing-out drunk. You can't drug someone and have a window where their mind os incohseive but they walk out of a bar. THey would have to be pratically carried out or helped out by someone really, really, holding them up. (former sorority member who had to watch infomational videos every semester so that we could recognize if a friend was ruphied).

At spring Break, you meet these people and by the end of the trip, it's like you really know them. By the end of the week, you were riding to a party at another hotel or out to eat, drink, with kids from somewhere else. My sister shared the story recently about how they met these guys fom the same state (made them just seem more trustworthy b/c they were from geographically close) and by the end of the week, they got in a car to ride to a party. Well, my sister and her two friends who did not drink/smoke were shocked when the boys each busted out a big joint. They made them take them back to the hotel but they were lucky.

Also, the island is not very big, like 20 miles long, 100 square miles. You can get from one place to another 20 miles away in a half hour or less. We never saw one cop car in Aruba and traffic laws are really different. Like you honk when going through a four-way "stop" instead of stopping if you were there first. The roads were empty at night when we took our rental out three times.

I just want to say that we never felt endangered in any way in Aruba. We had an awesome trip and have sworn a million times to go back, though we have been deterred by terrorist attacks/kidnappings in countries that are NEAR Aruba. But our previous time was after 9/11 anyway. I don't think we'll ever know what happened to her. I think this will be a case out kids hear specualtion about, like Ted Kennedy's "accident" to my generation.

Thoughts?

I like to put myself in the boys shoes to try to figure this out, together with the facts (and theories) to date. I've been to plenty of bars with chicks and wasn't in these guys category, but definitely saw these types of goobs. Here is this mongo looking goob (vender) with two ugly brother friends. Then there is this sexy blonde babe. Goob hits on her, and the friends watch with that ass-kissing envy. Like looking up to their big tough friend. A couple of ugly ducklings those brothers are, with no chance of taking one of these babes to a beach, hotel room, etc. So the big mongo goob gets pissed at the babe because she brushes him off and now he's embarrassed of the ass he is in front of his ugly friends. But he'll show her, and prove to his friends how he can get her regardles... The goob and the ugly ducklings figure a way to get her into their car...the cab decoy thing is probably the best way. The brothers are in a cheap little piece of crap car, and one is ducking in the back seat. The other looks like a native cabbie and picks her up. They go down the road with her and pick up the big goob. Off to some beach near that shark area... on the beach, gang raped, killed somehow (suffocation is my guess) and they ditch her in the brush. The goober freaks and tells the dad goob, and they all ditch the body at sea for the sharks, and get their stories straight. My opinion. And even if they repent, they'll still go to hell. But it would sure be nice to get those bastards before God, so we can put them away forever.

Sharks seldom eat everything. something would wash up. Much more likely--
It seems to me daddy van der Sloot is in this thing up to his eyeballs. A
good task for Beth's private investigator would be to determine if daddy's intimate
contacts and asshole buddies who owe him a favor include morticians or workers in a morgue/cemetery/crematorium. There would probably be money involved, so a good search of his bank records/cash stash would be in order. I'm just a nobody, and if I can imagine it, then the FBI probably advised the same. I believe it will possibly break soon. Their ain't no perfect crime when more than one person is involved.

A cemetery is an ideal place to conceal a body, with either a double or falsified
burial. Has anyone looked into the funerals/burials/permits which occurred near
the time in question?

Just a thought
Bob

I think the idea about getting rid of her by using a dummy funeral is a smart idea, much more likely than the sharks eating everything.........including cloth ?
seems to me something would wash up on shore, nets ? any fishing going on there and what about all the suba diving going on there ?
seems like someone would have something in the rocks down deep from the currents.

I think a look at the dump sights, wells, using body dogs would have worked early on.....at this point I think digging into their bank records might show more details to her where abouts or at least someone to pin point this a bit more.......too many people know what is going on.......more $$ needs to be offered and one of the greedy little bastards will choke on that money and tell on the others....

I kinda like the double burial theory myself. I did hear a reoport that they had equipment that could figure out ground density and figure out (with tips) if the ground had been recently dug. Hope they continue this search.

Although if I would think these guys (or one guy) would have raped and maybe killed her or left her for dead as drowned, or she was unconscience, what would prevent them from stripping her naked (they probably already did that anyways) and tossing her to the sharks, then cremating the clothes which they had I heard 18 days to do?

Also, the comment about the drinking from "DB", I agree with most of what you say, thanks. I just wanted to say that there were a few (many) times that I drank to excess in a past life, and that I was "conscience", dancing, carrying on a conversation, being flamboyont. The next day I don't remember even a few of these many people that came up to me (at college) to call me by name, say I was the funniest guy and intelligent guy they have met in a while (guys and girls, but mostly girls) and I don't remember one thing! Not one thing. Where I was, was I even with any friends, did I just leave and make new friends (which I was prone to do), was I at a house party, was I down town, was I in a dorm... Was I all those places? Scary. Lucky I am alive yet. The comment about guiding people out when they've had too much to drink (or other things) may be a true statement for some, but for me, it was not. I acted the same whether I had had 2 drinks or 40. But I learned the hard way, I do not do that any more. Thank God. I have a new lease on life.

I also saw a report on an investigator (forget the website) that is interviewing the "suspects" right now, trying to get them to take a lie detector (to clear their names). He was the lead Unabomber investigators, and I hear real good for cases like this. Sounds as if also, he is doing it on his dime. Good thinking, I agree that if they do not self-incriminate themselves or their buddies, then the opposite MUST be true... If they can't CLEAR their names of offense rape drugging assault or other (and why would someone NOT wish to clear their name or one of their best friends?)... UNLESS they WERE guilty of something ro hide!! I say that's on the money. Maybe they are being threatened by someone who is going to kill them if they talk. But talk, they aren't. I say in that case, absolutely accomplice. The other thing I had mentioned, is what this guy is also looking into (and others)... that there was at least 3 reported women that have recently stepped forward to say they were similarly assualted sexually in or at or near a bar there in the recent past.... and maybe if they tie this back to ANYONE associated with these bastards, it will start to unravel. I am glad people are looking at all directions and associations.

If other people are interested, I could do a re-search and find that site?

Bottom line is someone knows some thing. And it might take YEARS, but the truth will come out.

I should clarify..
When I said... "people that are drugged feel the effects very quickly and literally seem to be passing-out drunk. You can’t drug someone and have a window where their mind os incohseive but they walk out of a bar. THey would have to be pratically carried out or helped out by someone really, really, holding them up," I only meant that people incohesive due to ruphies or one of those date rape drugs would need help to walk, etc. I definately agree that you can be totally torn up on alcohol and still look ok, walk ok, dance ok, etc. I also did not mean that people WILLINGLY, recreationally doing drugs (not date rape drugs obviously) would be incohesive. Just people who have been slipped heavy doses of drugs with the intent of making them incohesive. Sorry for any confusion.

OK, so what so you all think about the arm washing ashore? I can't find any info on it at all and I missed the initial reports.

Natalee reportedly emerged from Carlos & Charlie's with Joran van der Sloot. As the other Mountain Brook High School students were climbing into taxis for the short return trip to the Holiday Inn, Natalee apparently went back into Carlos & Charlie's, possibly to use the restroom or to get something, and Joran and Satish Kalpoe reportedly walked away from the front of the Carlos & Charlie's, evidently going to Deepak's car.

When Natalee came out of Carlos & Charlie's again, she was reportedly escorted by Deepak Kalpoe who was reportedly holding her elbow, apparently assisting or steadying a reportedly tipsy Natalee. One of the few MBHS students that was still in front of Carlos & Charlie's reportedly asked Natalee if she was "okay." She reportedly responded that she was alright. And she and Deepak reportedly continued on to his car where she joined Joran in the rear seat.

Natalee Holloway was reportedly last seen around 1:30 Monday morning, May 30, leaving the area of Carlos & Charlie's in the back seat of Deepak Kalpoe's Honda automobile with Joran van der Sloot sitting beside her. Deepak was reportedly driving, and his younger brother Satish Kalpoe was sitting in the right front seat. Natalee is said to have rolled down the rear window on her side of the car, yelling some celebratory remarks at her classmates, as the car faded into the night.

The other Mountain Brook teenagers apparently thought Natalee and the three young men were returning to the Holiday Inn, which was reportedly her expressed intention, and because Joran van der Sloot reportedly told some of them that he was a vacationing college student from Holland, staying at the Holiday Inn.

Shortly after 8 AM that same morning, it was discovered that Natalee Holloway was missing. She evidently never returned to the Holiday Inn room that she shared with MBHS friends.

At the center of the "investigation" on Aruba is privileged Dutch self-described "loverboy" Joran van der Sloot whose influential Dutch pappa Paulus van der Sloot aspired to become a judge in the courts of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. 17-year-old Joran is seen in photos and on videotape illegally drinking and gambling, sometimes in the company of pappa Paulus. Since that alone is a violation of Aruba law, Joran van der Sloot is a criminal, and his pappa Paulus van der Sloot is an accessory, aiding and abetting his dependent juvenile son's criminal activity.

People who have played poker with young Joran say that he is not a good player. They say that he is easy to "read," very amateurish and can't "bluff." According to his fellow poker players, Joran was not a "winner."

Maybe the juvenile gambler was luckier at Blackjack where the odds are the best in the house, but still heavily against the player.

Self-described "Loverboy" Joran seems to always have a lot of ready cash and/or some kind of easily accessible house credit line and unlimited bar tab.

Provided by Dutch failed judge-in-training pappa Paulus and/or his mother Anita, family inheritance, or something and/or someone else? Joran doesn't seem to ever work...only go to school, occasionally participate in sports and "party" until all hours of the morning.

His "friends" describe drinking, drugs and sex as "party" activities. Joran and "friends" are reportedly members of a "gang" known as "The Pimps," and they have bragged via e-mail and on websites posted on the worldwide web about alcohol, other drugs, wild parties and sexual "gang-bangs," some allegedly with girls as young as 13 or 14 years of age.

The privileged 17-year-old Hollander Joran apparently comes and goes as he pleases from his separate apartment adjacent to his family's home on the van der Sloot property, and has since he turned 16, according to his mother Anita.

Anita stated during a videotaped interview that Joran "fights with his brothers, kicking them." And she is also on videotape, saying that Joran told her that Natalee would eventually "show up" and "when she does, I'm going to kick her butt right in front of her mother for putting us through all this."

Some young people on Aruba have said that Joran is "a drug dealer." Of course, when anyone anywhere can reportedly easily come up with drugs for his friends and acquaintances, one is likely to get that reputation, true or not.

When Beth Holloway Twitty, "Jug" and company described the car in which Natalee was last seen to a group of young people their first night on Aruba, one young man replied immediately, "That's Joran." He did not say "Deepak."

One may legally drink beer and have sex on Aruba when one is 16 years old, but one must be at least 18 years old to legally drive, drink hard liquor (including mixed drinks), gamble and engage in prostitution.

6'5" juvenile Dutch boy Joran van der Sloot very evidently illegally drives, drinks, gambles and more without any kind of restraints, penalties or punishment. Dutch pappa Paulus has said that his son doesn't gamble "for money." But, according to people who have played poker with the minor, that is not true. And 17-year-old Joran reportedly has an open line of credit with casinos on Aruba where 18 is the legal age for driving, drinking hard liquor, gambling and engaging in prostitution.

Is it any wonder that he is where he is today?

Dutch "party boy" Joran and his influential and well-connected judge-hopeful pappa Paulus, as well as possibly Deepak Kalpoe and/or Satish Kalpoe from Suriname, very obviously know exactly what happened to Natalee Holloway.

When Aruba Polis learned the first night Beth & "Jug" Twitty and friends were on Aruba that Joran and the Kalpoes were the last ones seen with Natalee Holloway, they chose to believe the "story" about the "security guard" told by the three young men, and the primary suspects were not detained, Joran's apartment and the boys homes were not searched, and the automobiles were not impounded. No evidence was collected from the van der Sloot property or the Kalpoes that early morning only hours after Natalee's "disappearance."

I'll never forget Aruba top cop Jan van Statten saying, "How could I do that to my best friend's son?"

Dutch failed judge-in-training pappa Paulus told errant son Joran and Surinamese buddy Deepak to keep quiet, to not "say anything." They are evidently heeding that advice. So far...not one of them has satisfactorily explained Natalee Holloway's "disappearance."

According to Dutch prosecutor Karin Jannsen, Aruba's attoney general, Dutch failed judge-in-training pappa Paulus van der Sloot told son Joran and Deepak Kalpoe in a poolside meeting at his home the day after Natalee Holloway "disappeared," "When there is no body, you don't have a case."
The Mountain Brook High School students I've seen on television have very evidently not told the whole truth, possibly because the FBI or someone has cautioned them not to talk about certain things. I know when young people are being completely open and honest. I also know when they are being evasive, "editing" their conversation before speaking, withholding information, being dishonest and deliberately not telling everthing they know.

And I know what actually goes on in Carlos & Charlie's on Aruba. It's a wild and raucous "party" place.

Not one "nice, sweet, innocent" person of any age goes into Carlos & Charlie's on Aruba, hangs out there for hours, and stays until "closing time" with the "booty dances" and "body shots" for free booze, the "simulated sex" and other shenanigans onstage, the "dirty dancing" between patrons, drugs readily available inside and on the sidewalk outside, and all of the other decadent behavior without taking part in the "fun" activities. There's no other reason for anyone to be there. And every one of Carlos & Charlie's patrons drinks alcoholic beverages.

If you doubt those facts, just go into Carlos & Charlie's, and see for yourself.

I have copies of photographs illustrating all of the activities to which I refer, but some of them are too graphic, sexually explicit and offensive for me to post here. Of course, there's ample photographic evidence available on the worldwide web, maybe even some photos with Mountain Brook High School students and adult escorts in them.

Mountain Brook students were asked on television, "Drinking?" They admitted, "A couple." Well, I've heard that before from young people who got sloppily drunk in New Orleans area clubs. And none of the MBHS students that I have seen have even acknowledged drinking "Yard Longs." (See photos below.) Only "a couple" of "Yard Longs" is quite a lot of liquor.

All Mountain Brook High School students and adult escorts who made this year's trip to Aruba and hung out at Carlos & Charlie's need to come clean, and tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." Or stay off television until they can. Hopefully, they have been completely truthful with the FBI.

For the sake of Natalee Holloway and her family, Mountain Brook students, escorts and parents need to be completely open and honest, especially with the FBI, T. J. Ward and Investigative Consultants International, and Arthur E. Wood, a former U. S. Secret Service agent who is heading Jossy Mansur's DIARIO and The Aruba Daily investigation.

Thanks to the internet, the debauchery that is Carlos & Charlie's is known worldwide, and countless photos abound.

Natalee Holloway was reportedly one of the first to get up on the stage and dance in front of the crowd. When Joran van der Sloot walked into Carlos & Charlie's, Natalee reportedly tried to get him to come up and dance with her, and was reportedly disappointed when Joran did not go up on the stage and dance with her. If true, was anyone showing a special interest in her at that point?

Natalee was reportedly doing Bacardi 151 "body shots" with at least one male. I'm told that for one to do a "body shot"...one must lie down on his or her back, preferably on a bar, and allow liquor to be poured into their navel cavity. Then a member of the opposite sex drinks the liquor, lapping it up like a dog. If that report is true, who was that male?

Did Natalee participate in a Wet T-Shirt Contest, placing third, at Mambo Jambo in the Royal Plaza Friday night, May 27? If she did, was anyone showing any kind of special interest in her afterwards? If so, who? And did Deepak make a brief stop at Mambo Jambo the early Monday morning Natalee "disappeared?" If so, why?

Who was the man with whom Natalee is reported to have had a meal, if any?

Was Natalee or any other MBHS girl ever approached by anyone claiming to be a model or talent agent of any kind? If so, who, from where, and representing what company?

Did any MBHS student hear anyone say anything about "Mr. Pink" or "Pink Productions?"

We need the whole truth. Nothing less is acceptable.

I am particulary concerned about what really occurred inside and outside Carlos & Charlie's Sunday night, May 29, and early Monday morning, May 30. I am very interested in anything that anyone may have seen and/or heard on Aruba between the hours of 1 and 5 AM. The least little thing might be hugely important and contribute to a satisfactory conclusion of the Natalee Holloway "disappearance" case.

There are some questions that must be resolved, and some pieces are still missing from this mysterious puzzle.

Chief among them is this. Why are Arubans, especially Dutch citizens, so upset and even angry because a little heartbroken American woman is simply trying to find her missing daughter? Why haven't all Arubans seriously tried to help her? And I don't mean that one token day off they took to conduct a light surface search.

Some people on Aruba have information that would be helpful in the search for Natalee Holloway while others know exactly what happened to her. Why are they not coming forward? Do they not care about one small blonde teenage American girl? Do they not care about crime on their tiny island? Or are they personally involved in the corruption?

How many other girls have been drugged and sexually assaulted by Joran van der Sloot and his friends over the last couple of years? Some young ladies who personally experienced "Loverboy" Joran's method of operation are beginning to come forward. More need to tell Aruba authorities what happened to them.

Do you young ladies know that Joran has bragged about his conquests to his friends and acquaintances? Don't you think that it is time you helped stop this 6'5" criminal predator before more girls are victimized by Joran and his friends?

And why do the lawyers and everyone related to this case, including the Aruba Polis and Dutch government, get so concerned when Beth Holloway Twitty goes into Oranjestad's Internet Cafe, a public business, to have some photographs developed and talks with Deepak Kalpoe, one of the employees, while she waits for her prints?

F-Y-I, Aruba...Beth's visit is on videotape, so any of you criticizing, verbally attacking or filing papers against her are wasting your time alleging that she "threatened" Deepak or even raised her voice. She very clearly did not.

Many influential Dutch citizens are members of the Aruba Lions Club at http://www.arubalions.org/Member%20Area/member_roster_2004-2005.htm while some of the younger well-known names are members of Air Aruba Virtual Airlines at http://www.arubaaviation.com/fqpilots.html . Are some of the members' interests and goals different from the stated purposes of those two organizations? Many of those names have come up during the current investigation.

Aruba's now retired top Polis official Jan van der Straten failed to do his job early on, saying, "How can I do that to my best friends son?" He is Joran's Godfather, and has returned to Holland. Jan van der Straten very obviously deliberately undermined, diverted and obstructed the Natalee Holloway "disappearance" investigation. Why hasn't he been held accountable for his actions or inactions?

Are Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, believed to be a good man by many on and off Aruba, and Justice Minister H. Rudy Croes, respected by many on Aruba, actually involved with the corruption on Aruba and participating in the big cover-up? Are Oduber and/or Croes "in bed" with "mobsters?" Are Nelson and/or Rudy heavily involved with drugs, the sex trade and human trafficking? That has been alleged by some. (See ARUBA CRIME ARUBA PROBLEM at http://www.blogs.net/page/Dan_Hanchey )

How about Karin Jannsen, the Dutch prosecutor who is Aruba's attorney general? Is she really intent on charging and convicting the guilty in this case? Or is she, too, part of the big diversion and cover-up?

And what about the Dutch judiciary? A Dutch judge is brought over to Aruba from Curacao, and he promptly releases Dutch judge-hopeful Paulus who once worked with the judiciary on Curacao and "Tattoo" deejay Steve Croes who is from Curacao. Does anyone else find that questionable?

Carlos & Charlie's website at http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com was quickly pulled down, cleaned-up, and completely re-done immediately after the Natalee Holloway "disappearance" case became an intensive and thorough investigation and attracted international interest.

Some of the people at Carlos & Charlie's are reportedly involved with "recruiting" girls for wild sex parties, involving known well-connected and wealthy "mobsters." One of those "mobsters" and his associates reportedly own hotels on Aruba, Curacao, elsewhere in the Caribbean and in other areas. There are rumors of wild orgies and taping of porn films, including "snuff" films, in a special room at the Holiday Inn on Aruba, as well at other locations.

Was one of the Holiday Inn rooms stripped of its carpet and re-done the day Natalee Holloway "disappeared?" If so, why? Could the bloody mattress that was found at the dump have come from that room? If so, why was there blood on it, whose, and why didn't the Aruba Polis have a sample of that blood analyzed?

Where is the manager of the Holiday Inn that reportedly "vanished"...and, if true, why has he apparently left Aruba?

We know the General Manager of the Marriott Hotel has reportedly just been "promoted" to a position in Mexico City, Mexico. Is the timing just coincidental to the "disappearance" of Natalee, or is there some other reason he's gone from Aruba?

Quite a few people have suddenly left Aruba for one reason or another. Why would anyone want to leave this "One Happy Island?" Could it be getting too hot for them...or their employers?

The General Manager of Carlos & Charlie's is Alberto Levy. Is he related to the Rafael Levy of Miami, Florida, who has reportedly been deeply involved in the worldwide online porn business, including child porn and "snuff" films? Are some of the employees of Carlos & Charlie's actively helping "recruit" girls for those "businesses?"

The internet contact at Carlos & Charlie's is Garrick Lacle who is also in charge of "Advertisement." Is he related to Contributing Editor Tito Lacle of Aruba Today newspaper which features sex ads?

Why does Aruba Today Editor-In-Chief Julia C. Renfro allow the porn in her publication, and why is Julia so quick to defend Aruba and apparently so ready to criticize the USA and Americans? I understand she went to Aruba from the USA more than a decade ago. Why, and at whose invitation? Was she running away from something or to a new lifestyle and/or lucrative career opportunity?

Aruba Today Contributing Editor Tito Lacle has a personal Profile page at http://profile.tickle.com/evM1hx4yr_GY_jqS which lists (or did list) Tickle member Ruben Trapenberg, a Dutch government official and spokesman, as a "friend." Ruben's personal Profile page at http://profile.tickle.com/y6cVdx27jEJNFCRy lists (or did list) Tito as a "Friend." Tito is single, and Ruben is "Married." Just how involved in each other's private lives are these two men, and what else might be a reason for their publicly evident closeness? If those Tickle sites are no longer available, why? Thankfully, I printed out and filed the Tickle pages of Ruben and Tito.

For the record...Ruben Trapenberg, the Dutch government spokesman on Aruba, has flat-out lied during the course of this "investigation." The primary example is when he said that the FBI has been fully involved "since day one." That is absolutely untrue. And the FBI is still not being allowed to fully participate. I think that Ruben has no real credibility whatsoever.

Why do some witnesses seem to suddenly change their stories after talking with or being talked to by people from Aruba Today?

What, if anything, do frequent Carlos & Charlie's "partiers" like Freddy "Locoman," always well-dressed Colombian Jaime Carrasquilla and other Joran friends have to do with Natalee Holloway's "disappearance?"

Is "lover boy" Joran a member of a "gang" called "The Pimps?" If so, who else is in that group? And are the stories about Joran and others putting drugs in girls drinks in order to have sex with them and/or to manipulate them into participating in a "gang-bang" true? Joran has reportedly bragged about his drugging and "scoring" to his peers.

And what about reputed drug dealer Lorenzo van Rijn? What role, if any, did he play in this tragedy?

What about Michael Posner at the Excelsior Casino? The Posner Group reportedly owns hotels and casinos on Aruba, Curacao and throughout the Caribbean. Is Aruba's Michael Posner the same Michael Posner that is an Associate of the Chicago "Outfit?" Is he still on parole, and is he still doing "business as usual?"

Do Posners still own businesses in Miami, Florida? If so, is that why Paulus van der Sloot, soon to be without judge-in-training income, recently visited Miami?

Or was Paulus' Miami visit in direct relation to the "disappearance" of Natalee Holloway and his currently imprisoned primary "suspect" son Joran? Did Paulus schedule a Miami meeting to arrange financing for son Joran's defense? Or was Paulus possibly summoned to Miami to discuss a quick resolution to this case? Some special interests would like the FBI, other investigators and the media gone from Aruba, so business as usual can get back to normal again.

Is it true that Joran van der Sloot has a line of credit at the Excelsior on Aruba and possibly in other casinos, and is Joran really a drug dealer or runner for Ponser? Could that be why Joran has so much money and/or that line of credit? He gets a lot of money and credit from somewhere. Could Joran van der Sloot, who reportedly is an amateur gambler and loses often, be playing and losing big to help the Posners launder money? And is Dutch pappa Paulus van der Sloot in on the laundering scheme, too?

And what happened to that Excelsior Casino Manager who "vanished" about the same time that Natalee Holloway "disappeared?"

Some fishermen reportedly saw what they thought was an Isuzu on the beach near the Marriott early Monday morning, May 30. The "Isuzu" could have actually been Paulus van der Sloot's Mitsubishi SUV, helping move a seriously ill or injured Natalee from the beach to the van der Sloot home or Natalee's body from a shallow grave near the Fishermen's Huts to dispose of it somewhere or someway that would make it much more difficult or even impossible to find.

If money was indeed twice withdrawn from Paulus' ATM account, it could have been to pay someone to help care for Natalee, to transport her or to bury or dispose of her body.

I believe that it is highly improbable that Joran van der Sloot did not actually cause and/or was not an active participant in the "something bad" that "happened to Natalee."

Paulus van der Sloot said, "I would do anything for my son." I believe him. But I do not believe that Dutch judge-hopeful pappa Paulus would become complicit in a cover-up or an accessory to rape and/or a homocide to protect anyone but his eldest son Joran.

Volunteering his time to assist Jossy Mansur's DIARIO and The Aruba Daily investigation of the Natalee Holloway "disappearance" case, retired U. S. Secret Service agent Arthur E. Wood, working on Aruba for almost two months, came up with a key witness whose testimony "kills the alibis" of the three main suspects. Wood said the Kalpoes should be rearrested.

Wood heard the jailhouse story of the domino game, involving Deepak Kalpoe. When another inmate commented that a relative told him about a gardener's claim that he had seen Joran, Satish and him on the dirt road near the Aruba Racquet Club between 2:30 and 3 AM the morning Natalee vanished, Deepak reportedly turned pale, became angry, threw his dominoes and left the game.

Wood and associates searched for a month for the gardener, a Colombian known only by his nickname. When they finally found him, the gardener repeated his story, telling how he had to veer way off to the side, then stop, because Deepak's car was blocking the road. He told Wood the three boys tried to hide their faces. The gardener said Joran, sitting in the driver's seat put his hand up beside his face, Deepak Kalpoe slid down in the right front passenger seat, and the third person, believed to be Satish, laid down in the rear seat. Arthur Wood convinced the gardner to go to the Polis.

"This kills their alibi. Their timeline is destroyed by this witness," Wood said, contradicting the claims of the three that they left Natalee Holloway on a nearby beach about 1:30 AM before they headed home.

Wood wanted the Polis to rearrest the Kalpoes. That hasn't happened.

What has happened since Wood's request? Well, the Colombian gardener told Aruba Polis what he saw that early morning. Then Aruba Polis threatened to arrest and deport the gardener, and he was missing for awhile. The Colombian gardener was finally found and forced to give his testimony before a Dutch judge in Aruba court with Aruba Polis present and the Dutch prosecutor and defense lawyers confronting and cross-examining him.

The Colombian gardener is the only witness in the Natalee Holloway "disappearance" case that I recall being required to appear before a Dutch judge and cross-examined by defense lawyers in the presence of Aruba Polis. Since Aruba and Dutch officials were not allowed to arrest and deport the gardener, was this an attempt to discredit and neutralize him and/or to deliberately intimidate him into changing his story?

Jossy Mansur says about Arthur E. Wood, "He has brought a lot of investigative knowledge to the case, and he has the respect of everyone. The man is a tremendous investigator. He's been busy day and night, talking with people undercover and bringing very good information forward."

If the gardener witness is correct, and I believe he is, why were the three young men sitting in the car on the dirt road by the Racquet Club between 2 and 2:30 AM early Monday morning, May 30, with Joran behind the wheel? Why did they all duck when the witness passed?

Could Natalee have been in the back seat with Satish or whoever? A possibility.

Were they waiting to meet with someone? Maybe. But Why? Could it have been someone to whom they were going to hand Natalee, or could it have been Dutch papa Paulus van der Sloot with Natalee's body on that blanket in the back of the Mitsubishi SUV?

And why did the three boys make so many trips in and out of that area, including the construction site across Smith Boulevard? Tools maybe? Forget something? Or just making sure whatever happened there could not be detected or had not been disturbed?

A dry pond is a good burial spot, especially the one behind the Aruba Racquet Club. It's easy to dig in the muddy bottom. The mud is what is called "quickmud," much like quicksand. Anything buried in the quickmud will slowly sink further down into the ground. Then, when the pond fills with rainwater, the weight of the water packs the quickmud down, smoothing out the surface of the muddy pond bottom and making a grave unnoticeable to passersby when the pond is again empty of water.

The muddy pond bottom must be probed several feet deep, well below the surface, to discover any body, Joran's shoe and/or any other evidence.

But the draining of the pond behind the Racquet Club has been stopped by Aruba Polis, according to police spokesman Edwin Comenencia, ending that search before the pond was emptied. An adequate search was not performed. Any evidence buried there would not have been uncovered by their shallow probing.

Are the Aruba Polis still deliberately obstructing and undermining the Natalee Holloway "disappearance" investigation as they so obviously did when Jan van Stratten was in charge, and are the Aruba Polis complicit in the corruption that is so seemingly evident on the tiny island?

Incidentally, the pond behind the Aruba Racquet Club that was partially drained is not the only pond in that area.

Someone whom I greatly appreciate (but may prefer not to be known) has pointed out to me that there is a house for rent across the dirt road from the Racquet Club. Who owns that house, and could Joran and friends enter that vacant home?

Does Joran have a key or keys to the Racquet Club where he is a member and which he frequents often?

The dirt road, Racquet Club and vacant home in Noord are directly across Smith Boulevard (1B/1A) from a construction area between the Marriott and the fishermen's huts, and hotel row, including the Holiday Inn, is only 3 minutes away by automobile.

Someone on Aruba has told me that the van der Sloots reportedly own other property in addition to their home, listed as Vacation Rentals, and they say that the van der Sloot home may also be available for rent or sale sometime soon. Are Dutch failed-judge Paulus van der Sloot and family getting ready to leave Aruba?

Deepak Kalpoe's car is reportedly his pride and joy, and his mother said that he was upset with what Natalee and Joran were doing in his back seat, described as petting and "kissing." I do not for a second think that their kissing would have upset him. I believe they were doing something that could result in a stain of some kind on his upholstery.

I believe that Deepak and Satish may very well have washed the car as soon as they arrived home. I think what they were washing from the interior of the car...if anything...was mud, some kind of bodily fluid and/or vomit...not blood which leaves traces that can be detected by modern forensic scientists, and I think the exterior might have gotten dirty on the dirt road near the Racquet Club where they and Joran were reportedly seen by a witness. If they were indeed party to a crime, they might have been trying to wash away any tell-tale evidence from the car and its tires.

Deepak reportedly keeps his sharp little Honda meticulously clean, and I do not think that he would wait until just before he was to go to work the next day before washing his car. He surely would not want any stains to have time to absorb or set on his car's interior.

I know that I wouldn't. And I have washed my car late at night, so I wouldn't have to do it the next morning.

Arthur E. Wood is reportedly the one who found the Aruba Landfill witness who says he notified Aruba Polis about what he saw two days after Natalee's "disappearance" seems to be very credible. If former Secret Service agent Wood believes him, so do I.

It was reported that the Landfill witness took a "lie detector test." I am told by T. J. Ward that the witness did not take a polygraph exam, but was subjected to a Layered Voice Analysis. While the witness continues to stick to his story, repeating it over and over again and not wavering, T. J. tells me there are some questions about some of the specific details and possible problems with parts of his testimony, so T. J. and company are continuing to investigate the Landfill witness story.

According to Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch, "He (the witness) goes to the Landfill for slavageable things. He apparently saw a vehicle, three people, a Jeep parked off someplace in the distance watching. Actually saw a machine come in, and he claims he actually saw the hair and breast and chest of a girl being buried there on Wednesday at 4:30 PM after Natalee Holloway was missing." Please note that was Wednesday, June 1, 2005, two days after Natalee "disappeared," and Aruba Polis did not act on his statement, a story that he has not changed as he has re-told it over and over again. Aruba Polis' walk-around occurred after the area had been covered by more piles of garbage.

Arthur Wood, Jossy Mansur and company got permits, rented a backhoe, and were searching for Natalee Holloway's body in the Aruba Environmental Landfill. But they were forced to stop from time to time when more "red tape" is required by the Dutch government on Aruba.

During one of those weekend breaks in their efforts, the searchers hard work was undone by the operators of the Landfill who reportedly refused to stop when asked, stating that Aruba Polis couldn't stop them, not that they would want to since the Aruba Polis have certainly not seriously helped search that dump. The Landfill operators reportedly emphatically stated that they work for the Dutch government. And the Landfill workers continued to bulldoze over and fill the holes dug earlier, sabotaging the efforts of searches to find any body or anything incriminating in that Landfill.

I believe that there must surely be damning evidence against someone who is very well connected in that Aruba Environmental Landfill. The serious attempts to obstruct, undermine, sabotage, stop and not allow any complete and thorough Landfill search indicates that some very powerful people on Aruba are very concerned about what will be found there.

Is that why the Dutch government on Aruba isn't actively helping or at least fully cooperating in the search of the Landfill?

And is that why the Dutch government and Aruba Polis haven't roped off the suspect area in that Landfill and prohibited everyone from dumping more garbage there, and why they haven't the Dutch government and Aruba Polis prevented the Landfill operators from pushing more layers of refuse on top of the search area?

The Netherlands government sent ships of the Dutch Navy, Dutch Marines and Dutch Air Force F-16s to allegedly search the island from the air. Why haven't they sent any of their Dutch military's construction battalions and equipment to the little protectorate to aid in the search of the Landfill? Or...was the purpose of that show of military force simply a statement of authority and supremacy over the citizens of Aruba, especially the local native populace, just before the island's election?

The Aruba Environmental Landfill needs to be peeled back layer by layer until a body and/or other evidence is found or proven beyond a shadow of doubt not to be there.

The Aruba Environmental Landfill is an International School of Aruba Environmental Class trip and project. Joran should be very familiar with the Aruba Landfill, its procedures and equipment. The students learn all about the Landfill, and how they layer and cover the refuse. And tractors are kept on-site, including one with a backhoe. Joran, Deepak and Satish would probably be very well aware of how one could best conceal a body in that Landfill in a way and in an area that would make it difficult for anyone to ever find it.

I've seen a white pickup truck and a red Suzuki Jeep-type vehicle with a white top on the van der Sloot property along with the white Mitsubishi SUV and a grey sedan. I have seen Dutch pappa Paulus driving the Suzuki, and I hear Joran sometimes illegally drives the pickup.

But there are many white pickups and Suzukis and some other white SUVs that are available and easily accessible on Aruba.

Every time someone mentions a pickup truck I think of the dead man and the pickup reportedly found at the cemetary, possibly near an incinerator or crematorium. I just can't recall the exact reported details. Nor can I remember when that reportedly occurred. I do not believe the Aruba Polis explanation about the man's wife killing him in their home,carrying the body out of the house, loading it into the truck, and then dumping it where it was discovered. Whoever did that needed a ride away from the scene. When did that happen, who really did it, and why?

One thing that always comes to mind is an old trick that has been used by some creative criminals worldwide in the past, burying a body or bodies on top of or under another body or bodies already entombed.

And I continue to receive reports that might indicate that Natalee could have been kidnapped and/or trafficked. It's possible, but not probable. But that is why the Holloway family is now offering a $1,000,000 reward for the safe return of Natalee and $250,000 for information leading to the recovery of Natalee's body. That one-million USDs for Natalee alive and two-hundred-fifty-thousand USDs for Natalee dead has produced more tips.

The search of the drained pond behind the Aruba Racquet Club has been stopped by Aruba Polis before anyone could dig down several feet deep in the pond bottom and find anything, but the one at the Aruba Environmental Landfill has continued sporadically...under the watchful eye of the Aruba Polis.

There are other areas that are being searched, others that need to be, more reportedly will be, and some areas are being re-searched by the new "search team," Palm Beach County, Florida, businessman Jim Knox; his "dog trainer friend", Fred Golba; and Fred's "search-and-rescue" dogs. Interestingly, their decision to join the search for Natalee came shortly after Paulus van der Sloot visited Miami, Florida, next door to Palm Beach.

Fred Golba takes credit for thousands of rescues and body finds around the world. He has been quoted as saying, "I am kind of in and out of jobs because I am always leaving for such missions. I know that is not the smartest thing to do, but I can't help it." Fred has also been quoted as saying, "To me, what is important is human beings."

Fred Golba is on the Commonwealth of Massacheusetts Department of Revenue Child Support Enforcement list of Delinquent Parents owing more than $10,000. That one fact contradicts Fred Golba's expression of concern for "human beings," and makes him appear to be irresponsible, uncaring, and not at all dependable.

Watching him on television, egotistical Fred Golba reminded me of that publicity seeking "searcher" from Canada who was featured on network television, shown "searching" the World Trade Center's Twin Towers rubble and turned out to be a big phony.

Fred Golba and his dogs may prove to be helpful. They may actually find Natalee. However, I personally have no faith in the integrity of any man who owes "more than $10,000" in Child Support payments. I hope he turns out to be a better man than I think.

Jim Knox, reportedly enjoying his semi-retired lifestyle in Southeast Florida, is said to be personally sponsoring this search effort, paying the expenses of both men and the dogs. Why? Is he simply that charitable? If so, great! But exactly who is Jim Knox? Isn't he the Jim Knox associated with floriculture and the FNGLA in Florida? And what is his real interest in the Natalee Holloway "disappearance" case on Aruba?

And is Michael Holloway of the Florida Nursery, Growers & Landscape Association related to Natalee's father, Dave Holloway of Meridian, Mississippi? Just curious.

Dutch failed-judge pappa Paulus van der Sloot who told son Joran and Deepak Kalpoe "when there is no body you don't have a case," is still not allowing anyone to properly search the van der Sloot property. The previous Dutch prosecution and Aruba Polis "search" was only in areas that Paulus said they could look. He has steadfastly refused to allow a free and thorough search of his family's property, especially the back yard and reported well. I think a totally innocent man would enthusiastically welcome any search that could help clear him.

However, T. J. Ward and I have begun to believe that Natalee Holloway is probably no longer on Aruba. Indications are that Natalee is dead, and that the disposal of her body was arranged by Paulus van der Sloot personally. Joran, Deepak and Satish may not know what happened after Natalee died, but they know exactly how, when, where and why she died...if she is actually dead.

Paulus van der Sloot is obviously just waiting for the expected release of his son Joran from detention on September 4, and he and his family are prepared to make a quick departure from Aruba and any possible prosecution for the kidnapping, rape and/or murder of Natalee Holloway. I do not believe Holland would extradite any Dutch citizen, like van der Sloot or van der Straten, back to Aruba.

17-year-old juvenile giant Joran van der Sloot, the self-described "Loverboy," reportedly has an open line of credit in casinos on Aruba. He very openly gambles with full family, business, law enforcement, judicial, governmental and public knowledge. Therefore, I firmly believe that there is much criminal involvement in this tragic scenario, as well as other activities, between the van der Sloots and friends, Jan van der Straten and others in Aruba law enforcement, possibly Karin Jannsen and/or the Dutch prosectors' office, Justice Minister Rudy Croes, some in the Dutch judiciary and maybe even Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and some hotel and casino owners, employees, and organized crime on Aruba, Curacao and in other areas.

We've all heard the stories about Joran van der Sloot having "nine (9) lawyers," and wondered how his family could afford them. Now...I hear they may be paid by the Mansurs. Jossy, if that is true, why? Of course, I fully realize that it could be one way for you and DIARIO to be assured that you know everything the defense knows and exactly what they are planning. Maybe that's a smart move for a local businessman who is very politically involved in a community of less than 100,000, especially since you have the largest local newspaper on Aruba and Curacao.

But is the United States FBI's involvement in the Natalee Holloway "disappearance" investigation going to help or hurt the prosecution of the suspects, if they are ever charged with crimes? According to my sources, "Dutch law prohibits transmission of any information to any foreign police force that is likely to lead to the arrest of a Dutch citizen." That is an obvious deterrent and an obstruction that would be extremely difficult for the prosecution to overcome in a Dutch court.

And I have been a little disappointed by some of Beth and families recent decisions. The clandestine videotaping of her confrontation with Deepak (while good documentation of what transpired in the Internet Cafe), the "searcher" that is a "dog trainer" who owes more than $10,000 back child support according to the state of Massachusetts (and should pay it), and the recent hiring of a former Aruba Assistant Attorney General as their lawyer (who seems to represent the Dutch and Aruba instead of the Holloway/Twittys, based on one of her recent television appearances) are not smart moves in my opinion...not if you want the Dutch government and prosecution, Aruba law enforcement and the people of the "One Happy Island" to help you resolve this "disappearance" case satisfactorily. But I fully understand Beth and the families' frustration and desperation
Joran van der Sloot is a criminal, and his Dutch father Paulus van der Sloot is an accessory, whether indictable or not.

A criminal is anyone who violates the law of the land, in this case Aruba. It is illegal for minors to drink alcoholic beverages and gamble on the little island of Aruba. Aruba law requires that one must be 18 years of age or older to do either.

17-year-old Joran van der Sloot is shown in photographs and on videotape drinking and gambling, sometimes in the company of his Dutch pappa Paulus van der Sloot.

When a 6'5" tall, 190 pound, 17-year-old young man repeatedly violates one, two, or more laws without restraint or discouragement of any kind being shown him by his family, friends, business owners, law enforcement, prosecution, judiciary, or the citizens, that young man tends to feel that he is invincible and can get away with anything without any kind of real negative consequences or serious repercussions. He actually tends to feel "empowered" and feels that he has a "license" to do anything that he desires, unhindered and unpunished, because everyone "approves"...or, at the very least, does not object to his deviant behavior.

Joran van der Sloot is a criminal, guilty of violating Aruba law. Joran's influential Dutch pappa Paulus has publicly condoned his juvenile son's activities, so Paulus van der Sloot is complicit in his son's illegal activities.

That is indefensible, whether by Aruba authorities, Dutch officials, or citizens on Aruba, in the Netherlands, or anywhere else. The photographic evidence has been displayed on the worldwide web, and countless privately owned photographs and videotapes document many of young Joran's escapades, including his drinking and gambling. Numerous photographs and videotapes were shot by citizens of Aruba, and many more were photographed and videotaped on Aruba by tourists from around the world.

Joran van der Sloot is a proven liar. Anyone who will lie about one thing will likely lie about another. And one who willfully and often violates one, two, three, or more laws, suffering no reprimand or penalty, will not likely hesitate to violate more laws, no matter how serious the crime.

Deepak Kalpoe is guilty of lying for his "friend" Joran, and may be guilty of much more.

Satish Kalpoe may have lied to support his older brother Deepak and "friend" Joran. He too may be guilty of much more.

And Dutch pappa Paulus van der Sloot, the failed judge, is apparently guilty of much more than lying and/or formulating a lie. His past is riddled with rumors of corruption, and some of his "associates" and "friends" are of questionable character and reputation.

While these facts do not guarantee that Joran and Paulus van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are guilty of rape, kidnapping and/or murder, it very definitely indicates that they are indeed capable of committing such a crime with a reasonable expectation of getting away with it.

We attentive Americans and concerned citizens of the world seek justice for Natalee Holloway, and we will settle for nothing less than a satisfactory conclusion to this "disappearance" case.

Aruba, Netherlands Antilles, and Netherlands...we are watching. Get it right.

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Well I have been following this since the first day she was reported missing. There are many theories and suspicions of what happened. I know for a fact that Joran, Deepak, Satish, and The runaway judge are involved because how many times can you change a story. Here is my theory or theories.

First, they get her wasted on alcohol and maybe slip here a GHB type drug. Then they take here to the fisherman huts and proceed to rape her. Someone else becomes involved maybe this new guy they had arrested and they decide to experiment in murdering someone because they already seem untouchable. They throw her into the shark fed waters and get back to their homes to make it look like nothing happed and Joran's daddy picks him up showing he has an aliby after confessing what he did. Paulis Van Der Sloot meets with all involved parties and instructs them what to do if they are pinched. Joran, Deepak, and Satish finally get arrested and they make up a bunch of stories sending police on a wild goose chase. Paulis checks the ocean to make sure no evidence is floating in the water. Now with the arm that has washed up on the coast of Venezula, Deepak and Satish are sweating it. I have a gut feeling it is her arm. If it is bye bye assholes.
With the brothers re-arrested and a new suspect in custody I believe the heat is on and they will all turn on each other. There might be a 15% chance of them selling her off to some sex-slave industry since they are into gangbang and taking pictures of it. Could be in Colombia or some other South American country who hates us. They need funds to continue to party and have a good time. But probably not. We well find out soon after they interigate all of them again.
Until then Boycott Aruba!

I also have been following this story from the beginning, read most every blog, and visited Aruba in July to see things myself. I have observed (which I have unreported on up to this point) some very unusual and interesting things while there. You know when you see something, remember something, then later, when all the "other" details" start emerging, something starts to make sense? In this case, I am very clear when I see what happened.

These are my final analysis:

- There was indeed a cover-up. The judge-that-tried-and-failed-so-called-father-to-the-rapist-son is a main person because of his knowledge of how to get around the law, for one, his smugness in the present saying his son is "completely" innocent (even an idiot would know that his son is involved, my God), and his insistance to thwart any mission (as well as the two brother's daddy, because he owns 1 of 3 companies that have equipment that could find the body, yet amazingly, keeps them from doing so) to uncover where the body was buried, or where the body could possibly have been moved! Who WAS the wimpy guy that partied until the wee early morning hours with Natalee until her untimely (or timed) death, who also was one of a group who raped and gangbanged a 14 year old girl unconscienciously, and then supposedly took a DVD and sold it of the acts, who also was one that illegally underage gambles in "daddy's" home town... and the law in Aruba is "ok" with that!! Who was the guy that has untold supplies of money coming in to show the tourist females a "good" time then accost and victimize them sexually morally and unwillingly? And who is the government that is allowing this to happen on their "happy island"?

I personally think some on the Aruban police know exactly what happened, and because of the tourist trade, don't want any one else to know. Why would the police have offered "no explanation" to the woman that 1st found human bones (with flesh still on them) while snorkeling and turned them into the police less than 2 weeks after Natalee dissappeared? Wouldn't an honest government have cleared those bones as evidence instead of either hiding them or destroying them, never-to-be-seen again? Why would an honest government 1st admit that they know of a body, they have a confession, then quickly denounce that such an admission was done by them? Why would an honest government allow several WEEKS before they "carefully" started to investigate the father-son sex house, and their vehicles? Allowing time to dispose of evidence, no doubt?? Heck, maybe they even bought them a new car as a substitute one, then junked the old car with the evidence? USA can trace a serial number of an axle and track down the bomber of Oklahoma City... Aruba cannot contain 3 young perverts (or more) and a powerful judge-to-be on a 20 x 6 mile island?

I said I visited Aruba. I took two rides, one a taxi from the hotel I was staying at (not too far away from Marriott) to the airport; and the other, a ride to and from my rental jeep for when I did a little sight seeing for a day. What I learned from the drivers would make your head spin. The government down there, and in particular, their leaders within the island, are very feared, for they do not allow "talk-back". They do not cater to "foreigners" and they hate "immigrants", even from the Netherlands. One of them told me that unless one was actually BORN AS A ARUBAN, on the island, the law will not protect you. Natural born citizens of the ISLAND are PROTECTED. Period. Disagree with that, you dissappear. They will turn their back on you.. I can tell much more, but will keep the rest to myself; they both had personal stories, and they both are bery happy to be employed, to keep their mouth shut to "things", and will enjoy life as long as "they look the other way", then the government will "do the same".

I am convinced Natalee is dead, and that more than one person knows about it in the government there. And the natural born citizens of Aruba can go free and do as they please. In THIS life, any ways. God will reward those that committed the crimes against Natalee. I only wish that Natalee's family could get some resolve and some peace and allow them to grieve and put Natalee where they should have been able to 2 weeks after her dissappearance... in her marked grave, on home soil. Instead, Aruba leaves it as a "missing person" case. Unbelievable.

I challenge Aruba police and government to solve this case, as well as the 1999 "dissapearance" of the other USA guy that vanished in mid air while in Aruba. If they cannot, they deserve to be boycotted as an island that Americans no longer see as safe, nice, or neighborly to tourists. So-called democracy? I think not. KGB is how I felt these people are living. I know a little about KGB too, because my USA born uncle served in Moscow through the 60's and 70's as a foreign CPA. There are only so many secrets you can tell to keep living.

The honest people there (of which I have met several) are actually very hard-working, trustworthy, people. It is too bad that ALL of Aruba is getting a bad rap for the acts of a few dishonest, money-hardened, set of rapists, killers, and who-knows-what-else-they-are-over-their-head in.

The island was beautiful. Too bad situations like this spoil it. I will not go back.

Prayers for Natalee's survivors family and friends. You all are true. Kids get drunk and do stupid things all the time. I remember those days and count myself a survivor. I had extra angels I guess. Thank you, God.

NOONE deserves torture and death that Natalee endured.

Until then Boycott Aruba!
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I will not go back.

Just from the last two posts...

Thanks, please let all american know NOT to go to Aruba (pls also add The Netherlands)
No-one wants you there, go loot in NO :)

And rememeber;
NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>>
NO courtcase >>> NO conviction >>> NO Yanks on Aruba !!!

Bonnie asked if the Mike Posner of Aruba is the same Mike Posner from the Chicago Mob. The answer is yes. He did some time in the 80s, but after his release the Chicago outfit rewarded him by putting him in charge of their Aruba interests. In Chicago he was identified in the newspapers as "The Vice Kingpin of the Northwest Suburbs." He ran gambling, adult bookstores, strip clubs and prostitution.

"Tante Bet" sounds like a name that is alias to one the guys that hung out with Van der slut. "bet" for sure. I agree with Nunya, leave New Orleans alone. Also leave the bottle alone while you type "tante" it affects your intelligence. Don't blame Americans. "No body" does not equal "no crime", it means "no case closed". Hey "Tante" that is American with a CAPITAL "A", dumb a$$, just like Aruba is capitalized. Have some respect. You did not say where you were from, but you should visit America some time just to see that we are the land of the free, and home of the brave. Maybe a little screwed up on occasion, but a good people and a good land. I bet some time in your life time, you will see that America will come to your aid, our your country, or in some way, affect your life positively. Do NOT allow isolated events to overcome the good. And with that said, you read into it that I want to stay away FOREVER from Aruba, I say "Aruba, wake up, do something about your crime wave, and fix it now. If it is mob bosses running your island, fix it. If it is unjust officials corrupting your government, try and fix it. THEN, I will come back, until then, I do not feel safe there as an American or as a free person." Yeah, I know, America has some of the same issues and corruption here, unfortunately. Muggings rapes stabbings and more happen across USA every day and night. Sin sucks. And I cannot say that big cities in America are not also run in some way by mobs, or illicit local governments. Some? Again, question mark. But at least America eventually RECOGNIZES where the issues and problems are, and try and do something about them. Take for instance, the new Homeland Security chief. HE is under "fire" and it looks like he is incompetent. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. But in time, we will find out. New Orleans did not get handled well. Maybe we need to look into our own hearts and understand that things are bigger than anyone ONE of you, or me. It's time we work together. ALL OF US, as a WORLD ENTITY.

I will start by apologizing for what I said earlier in this writing and say "Tante Bet", if you are man enough, understand we all have differences, but we should not be on separate sides. Unless the devil is making you talk. Or you just need a place to sound off. Don't take it out on America, and I will not take it out on Aruba. Like I said, I meet some of the finest Aruban island people around. Aruba in general deserves better than this, but this time, it is in THEIR control. Don't diss America.

Oops. I said the Homeland Security Director was "let go". I found out I goofed. It was the FEMA director I was actually referring to, and in a blog, was inaccurate initial story. Both are named 1st names "Michael". Later I also found out that there are about 7 or 8 "managers" just within FEMA, so hence the confusion. Everyone from terrorist experts, to hurricane experts, to other natural and unnatural tragedy responsibilities. I did not have my facts straight on that one, sorry. The Louisiana FEMA director Michael Brown was relieved of his Gulf Coast duties, but amazingly, still "director" of FEMA and reassigned back to DC. I guess we will see how long that lasts, does not sound like too many people are behind Michael Brown within Bush cabinet. Anyways, wanted to correct that statement.

I have done a lot of surfing like many others I am sure....
Didn't Natalee talk and have dinner with Michael Posner,owner of the EXCELSIOR CASINO at the HI ?
My research shows that he DOES have former maffia ties to the mob in Chicago, and has done time.

Do the Aruba LE have their heads up their buts, or are they trying to protect this gentleman ? I do not understand any of this......What do u think ? I think that he could have VERY easily taken her to Venzuela, as he IS ALSO MISSING TOO, AND IT WAS THE SAME WEEK ???????

Good job, Stefani! I think you might be on to something.... If a body has not been uncovered yet, and police first reported that a body "may have been" there, but not any more, and can't find a body now, yet maintain that the dogs and the sniffin' technology to find cadavors hasn't either produced a body or hasn't proved that there is no body, I wonder if the cover up isn't just that..... that there is no body and that the body has been gone off Aruba because the powerful and mighty mob people have taken this island's completely politics over (for many years, no doubt) and MADE UP the story of a death, when in fact, there wasn't? A run on sentence, I know... Do you have more, Stenfani? Still, smells like Aruba cover-up though. That Natalee does not deserve. Poor girl. Her one night of fun turned into a life time of horror. How many people out there still think that Natalee is still alive? I am about 50-50 right now, thanks to Stefani (which is a good thing, because I WAS at 95-5 that she was dead. You shine hope, Stefani).

nunya~
the post u were unsure of is that of none other than the "notorious" "TANTA BET from Aruba. She LOVES to call Americans Yanks, and insists that she KNOwS that her beloved fellow Dutch dude, JORAN is 100% innocent. I have read her less than desirable posts in MANY blogs. She is a piece of work. She rcommends for USA to stay in the USA, not thinking that Aruba depends on the Americans to feed their children with our tourism. I think we NEED to Boycott Aruba UNTIL we get a resolution as to where NAtalie Holloway is OR WHAT happened to her by WHO ! There is currently too much estimation and cover ups regarding her disappearance. I was shocked when I read in other news ites on the net, that Nat is NOT the 1st American to disappear in Aruba ! Amy Bradley also same situation and MANY Americans do not even realize that ! Amy came up missing in '97 and her parents have suffered without answers and resolution ever since. SOmeone is hiding something and it is not the USA!

Tante Bet~ U R SUCH A COMPLETE idiot. A total waste on the earth !
For your low IQ info I will tell u that looting took place in New Orleans largely so that people could S U R V I V E ~ many looted to just steal ! This was a natural disaster ! It was OUT OF OUR control and nothing short of G O D (you know the dude u say is for fools) could have prevented the Hurricane ! ALL of us learn from our mistakes, and I hope u will also ! We handled the next Hurricane disaster plan with the utmost efficiency (RITA) so efficient that after Katrina hit, and we were overwhelmed with TOO large of a proportion of calamity ~ that we were ready way before Rita hit. I must say that I personally am PROUD to be an American. I would not want to have been born anywhere else in the world. IU am an arrogant American, because, we have problems, but the U S A in many respects does have it all, and we are VERY progressive !Continue to promote a Boycott to Aruba, encourage us "Yanks" to remain in the USA, and u and MANY others, until Natalie is returned to Beth U JUST MAY have to depend on social agencies for basic necessities in life, because NO tourists and NO economy in Aruba. It will suffer. I as an American citizen feel perfectly within my personal conscience to avoid travel to Aruba. We lost Natalie Holloway and received no pertinent answers, and we also lost AMY BRADLEY in 1997, and rec. NO answers. 2 families are still suffering without any closure, unnecessarily because of a corrupt Dutch government.
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I personally would be ashamed of the my country's officials who call themselves "professionals" who cannot even resolve what happened to the tourist, whom they failed to kee4p safe while being a visitor in their country in May. Shame on the Dutch government. You need a serious revision of government, to S T O P your incessant corruption ! But any country who has LEGAL euthanasia to HUMANS(NOT pets) HUMANS ! ! ! ! ( SOULS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF THE LORD ! ) LEGAL abortion, LEGAL drug usage, LEGAL Prostitution ~ Bottom line with decaying Dutch morals what more could the USA expect than NO answers about Natalie's disappearance. Condoning these issues which I mentioned does NOTHING except make a country CORRUPT ~ highly rich in moral decay of epidemic proportions !

Might I add that we in the USA are a society against drug usage. We have laws AGAINST it ! Some use it illegally. We as Americans realize the high ramifications it causes in all aspects. There is NO doubt in my mind that the smoked dope usage there legally have caused a very LAX attitude about WHAT is right and WHAT is wrong. Brain cells have deteriorated to the point of not knowing what you are supposed to and accomplishing it ! LE cannot even efficiently investigate a crime efficiently against an AMERICAN citizen. SHAME ON ARUBA ! SHAME on Tante Bet and all Dutch citizens who attempt to discredit the USA with their malicious slanderous comments !

Check this out ! READ !!!!!

TOO Kewl !!!!

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Remember those words that Joe Mammana mentioned a couple of weeks ago?

“I just want the people of Aruba to know that Natalee Holloway’s mom, Beth Twitty and Joe Mammana are coming back to Aruba. Hell is coming with them, we did not forget Natalee Holloway�.

Philadelphia businessman, philanthropist and Philly’s Avenging Angel, Joe Mammana and Beth Holloway Twitty planned to meet with an attorney here to discuss her options in the stalled investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

With help from a local businessman, the mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared on a class trip to Aruba planned to meet with an attorney here to discuss her options in the stalled investigation.

Beth Holloway Twitty, mother of Natalee Holloway, told the Philadelphia Daily News for Wednesday’s editions that “we just feel like if we just continue, that something will break.�

On her meeting with an attorney, she said, “I want to see what my options are, and how do I go about pursuing those.�

Joe Mammana, who has contributed $250,000 in reward money in Holloway’s case. He has also contributed $100,000 reward for the missing 26 year old, nine months pregnant Amanda Jones. He played a major role in the $100,000 reward increase in the Latoyia Figueroa case. Mammana also gave $50,000 to the Julia Popovich reward as well. Joe Mammana has been known for his no nonsense Sicilian approach to practical situations. As Joe has stated in the past he does not call it “reward money, he refers to it as “bounty money“.

“I don’t call it reward money,� Mammana said. “I call it bounty money. I’m a vengeful person. I don’t believe in an eye for an eye; I believe in two for one.�

Joe Mammana arranged for the meeting for Beth Twitty to got to Philadelphia to meet with an attorney, whom have not been identified.

“We’re going to hound and harass these people forever,� Mammana told the newspaper, referring to Aruban officials and “anybody else involved with this that we feel did not cooperate and help us.�

This really is an interesting mix and Mammana’s words are sure to create some worries and comments from Aruban officials. Why do I get the feeling that Joe Mammana is not going to put up with much nonsense?

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September 28th, 2005 at 8:02 pm
I wish that Joe Mammana could be cloned. The USA needs MORE concerned, caring, loving men like himself !Being successful financially he gives of his $$ and his time. He is a God send to the world, and a wonderful, unselfish human being.Being of Cicilian decent, I feel that he can successfully communicate his desires on Twitty’s behalf for the return or resolution of their daughter, Natalie. Yes, he was a “bad� boy once, but his life TODAY in my opinion is A powerful example of HOW one can turn themselves around and become the high integrity individual that he is today. I have never met him, but would be honored to. I admire his qualities and consider him to be my 21st century hero !We all have our heroes and idols, my money is on Joe to get resolution to this long overdue mystery for Beth ! God bless you Joe, I will be praying for u to be successful and endure this one also, and a candle will be lit at mass on Sat. pm for u !!!!!!! GO JOE GO !!!

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See boys and girls,
This is why you don't go whoring in the third world.

She was not a whore...she was a girl that trusted the wrong people and was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Victim of circumstance if you may!

Natalie's behavoir at C & C's was NO different than many other teen girls that I have seen.Have some pity for her and the family. Is Aruba or any other country for that matter supposed to keep their tourists safe ? If they r NOT safe, should they NOT investigate professionally, and not as corruption and in a Keystone Cops method ???

Chewbacca ~ Think before you type.

Yes my name is Natalie Holloway, and I'm going to travel abroad while my home county is the most hated country in the world.

While abroad, I'm going to enjoy the nightlife of many locales, and it's men. Tee hee! Because I'm 18 and I've travelled around before. Trust me! I know what I'm doing.

They'll see that I'm cute and give the best head

It is my theory that that very tall boy's father might be married to a very frigid woman, and asked his son to bring him a young version of his wife. I think that the father wanted a virgin to de-flower. When she woke up, I think that she went into shock, and I think that they took her to a psyco ward in a hospital. They might have dyed and cut her hair. I think that she is in a hospital somewhere, and she can not remember her name.

blondie~
Are u serious ?

Also Aruba is NOT a "3rd world country."
IF they were not covering up a mess,
they are intelligent enough to handle this Holloway situation.
Their corrupt ways won't let them.

AND.......if I had the former "CAPTAIN" of the Good Ship Lollipop working for me in Aruba, I would be able to handle every corrupt and EVIL thing. The maffia has NO conscience in its organozation of EVIL activities !

MICHAEL POSNER KNOWS what happened to the Holloway girl, and could tell every detail, I know it. The Maffia is still powerful. We did not want him in Chicago, or the USA, so off to Aruba to carry on his E V I L ways ! AND>>>>>>>>>>>>he IS succeeding at them !

1. I think the truth will probably surface later on because all 3 boys are young & will eventually let it slip to someone -- like when Martha Moxley [the girl neighbor of the Kennedy's] was killed. Since the pressure is on now, everyone will clam up.

2. If memory serves, Arubans bury above ground in little vaults that are painted and decorated. Hard to imagine sticking her in one successfully without disturbing its look OR having people see you working on doing it "just right."

3. Shark stomachs have yielded everything under the sun, including lots of things swallowed whole. If there were more than one shark, forget about remnants.
4. Another young female has attested to date rape by Joran. [Pathetic if you have to resort to that just to get laid.]

5. Natalie was last seen with the 3 boys. Posner & Daddy van der Sloot may have helped after the fact or maybe not, but they didn't start it. Three native boys are enough to do pretty much anything.

6. Apologies to all the families of non-white girls who disappear, never to be seen again. Your loss is no less tragic.

Great comment Jud ! hehe Check this out. VERY intersting reading on Natalee's disappearance I promise u !

http://seedyrummusings.blogspot.com/

Mothers, teach your daughters well.

And sometimes those daughters who have BEEN taught WELL STILL NEED to test the waters, some return to the good ways, some are LOST forever !

The pressure is on and I do BELIEVE that the bird